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KnowHR Blog: Women Make Less Than Men: 5 Things HR Needs to Do Right Now to End Pay Inequality

  • Steve Wilson · 2 years ago
    I'm glad that you pointed out the effect of composite data over time (men work more hours, etc) because that does have a significant impact on salaries over time.

    As for starting salaries, most companies do not have a fixed salary for a position, but rather a range. That range can sometimes be several thousand dollars. The initial offer is usually not at the top end of the range, meaning that companies leave room to negotiate salaries. In his book "Compensation" (McGraw Hill Irwin, 2005), Milkovich cites research that suggests that men are more likely to negotiate for a higher salary.

    Thus, one possible explanation for the gender difference among recent grads is that men simply ask for more money.
  • Frank Roche · 2 years ago
    Steve, that is an excellent point...and maybe some advice for newly-graduating women: Ask for more. Well said.
  • Joe smith · 2 years ago
    I completely disagree here... The reason women make less than men is not due to some "conspiracy" to hold women down. It is simply a supply demand issue. Because most women leave the workforce at some point, or have other items that they consider important, the workplace compensates them differently. There is no one in the back room trying to make women make less.. The is such a stupid think to think.....

    Let the free market work. Do not add another worthless law or policy that will accomplish absolutely nothing longterm...
  • Miami Catering · 1 year ago
    The American Association of University Women released a new study that shows that women make less than men right out of school
  • Cielo Heart · 2 years ago
    Wow Joe Smith, you are a complete idiot.
  • Kat · 1 year ago
    Look, women negotiate less because for a given position, because for most jobs, especially traditionally male jobs, if it came down to a man or a woman with equal credentials, the man would be hired, no questions asked. Both male and female managers do it.

    Therefore, in order to make herself more desirable for a position that she knows has competition, a smart woman would probably not push the issue of money as much as a man would. It is a free market economy, and free markets are not always fair.

    I can speak from experience because although I went to a top-10 school, with a degree in engineering and very respectable grades, I was unable to find an engineering job for 5 years. Granted, the economy has been bad for manufacturing, and I saw many people get laid off, but I had to take lab jobs and sales jobs to pay rent. Even then, when I replaced a man in one job, I found out later that he had made an extra $0.50/hr from the get-go. That's what they had offered him.

    Believe me, when I finally had some serious interest from a potential employer, I wasn't about to push for a measly extra $2-3K/year, and risk losing the job altogether. I took the attitude that I would be rewarded when I had paid my dues and proven myself capable.

    Unfortunately, large corporations tend to give small, incremental raises to everyone, regardless of the marketplace, so I am looking again.

    Still, now that I have some experience, I feel that I can be choosier on my next job, but is my salary even close to what my male peers from college are making? Not on your life. In fact, on at least two interviews when the salary question came up, I quoted a very reasonable, well researched range for the geographical area, and the tone of the interview changed. I could tell they weren't going to call me back.

    Companies get away with this because the people who they don't hire don't have information about the process. People who they do hire are discouraged from sharing salary information with their colleagues. Even then, if you notice any differences, you assume that it was something in the other person's background that earned them higher pay. But if they really valued their female employees, they would make sure to pay them what they are worth.
  • McArthur · 1 year ago
    It is very probable that difference in entry level jobs is due to the willingness to negotiate. 2-3K may not seem like a lot at the time, but the difference is accrued over raises/promotions of your career with that company, and don't forget the difference it makes to your retirement fund.

    This also applies a few years in the job, when pay compression starts kicking in. Men are still more likely to negotiate about money. Companies are not going to voluntarily do anything like offer women more pay unless they are under the minimum in the pay range (green circle pay). Assess the situation and see if you have any leverage to negotiate for a raise. Unfortunately men are still perceived to have an advantage in a negotiation situation, therefore negotiation skills can be critical for women to close the pay gap.
  • kapeters02 · 1 year ago
    I have really found the above comments interesting. As a small business owner, and previous recruiter to some very large (fortune) organizations, in my experience 98.9% of the time there is roughly 3-8k wiggle room when it comes to an offer. However only 5% ask for more after an offer is made. Organizations are "in it" to get the best person at the rate they deem reasonable with some flexibility.

    I think most people are uncomfortable negotiating anything, and therefore don't ask for a higher salary when an offer is made. If an organization wants, they typically won't withdraw an offer if you negotiate compensation in a professional way. I would say that a lot of "bickering" over compensation will make the future employer wonder if your in it for the money, or the job. No one wants to hire someone just in it for a bi-weekly paycheck. If your able to explain why an increase is justified, you may get a return phone call from HR with an increased offer.

    Additionally, a good human resource rep or recruiter sets a "stellar" candidate up to accept an offer during the first conversation. The interviewer knows how much is available for the opening, and sets the tone of future conversations by addressing compensation right off the bat. Don't get me wrong, if you hear "we can't offer that kind of compensation" they typically can't. But what you aren't hearing is that they may have some flexibility. You may not realize it, but compensation is being addressed during every communication you have during your interview process.

    Kristin Bolinske
    http://bolinskeconsulting.com
  • Frank · 1 year ago
    Good points...it's the wiggle room that matters....and people need to know how to negotiate. And women need to know this even more because starting out behind means they will fall behind even more as time goes by. Even up early and get what's coming to you.
  • cvharquail · 10 months ago
    Frank -- this is a great post, not only because you put organization-wide Pay Equity as part of HR's responsibility but also becuae your action steps make sense.

    If HR managers want to be influential in corporate strategy and in helping the organizai5ton achieve its mission, then HR should take system-wide responsibility for all pay, promotion, training, recruitment, efforts -- and pay equity is a big part of that.

    In addition to pay equity, HR managers should also keep track of how assignments are distributed... my own research (many years ago) demonstrated that pay differences were due to unconscious differences in assignments. Male and Female managers at the same level were systematically assigned to different 'quality' accounts-- The men got Tide detergent, and the women got Banner bath tissue (ever hear of that brand? no?)

    Remember that pay differences, even when based on 'fact' like faster increase in sales, often also depend on other decisions, like assignments, training programs, mentoring, etc., that are subjective and subject to gender bias.

    The action steps are great, though. Have you seen any HR depts. put these into action and make a difference?
  • Frank · 10 months ago
    Hi....I went back and re-read this...and it still makes my blood boil to think people aren't doing something like this. With Ledbetter being enacted, I say don't do it at your peril.

    Thanks for your excellent thoughts on this. Interesting take about assignments...not something I considered, but will now. Very good thinking. I appreciate that!